There needs to be at least a temporary resettlement of the people of Gaza so that the Israelis, the U.S. military, and international forces could go in remove any land mines and then concrete that network of underground bunkers and tunnels. Palestinians cannot be allowed to continue to operate those things. Then rebuilding could begin. If the Palestinians refuse to live in a peaceful offered two state self governing situation then they need to be expelled.
Unfortunately due to decisions made in the past we have this, so they, the Palestinians, should resolve to accept what is and apply themselves towards creating a new and prosperous nation, but for the peace of the entire region, the world, both Israelis and Palestinians, this constant looking back and wanting to battle over that desert has to stop. I post this as the descendant of the formerly enslaved in the USA. We need to resolve our differences in the USA.
If the US is involved in any way it has to be under close scrutiny by our congress. Given the recent comments by Pres. Trump I am not confident that he will conduct the type of work that is needed for that area. Pray that the Palestinians can have a safe place to live and work towards their peace in that region.
Zionism literally translates to a belief that the Jews are indigenous to Eretz Yisrael and deserve full sovereignty in their ancestral lands. It does NOT mean for everyone. Please stop “All lives matter”ing the Jewish people. Jewish Lives Matter. It’s time to get rid of anyone who wants to kill Jews from Israel’s borders. And yes, it is time to stop the farcical concept that *only* the Palestinians get to be refugees generations and generations after the initial war that made them refugees. UNWRA took part in Oct 7, civilians in Gaza took part in the murdering and kidnapping and holding Jews in their homes (not to mention UN facilities!) so no- they do not deserve another chance to arm-up and kill more Jews. NO, No, NO!!!!
I am not a scholar about Zionism or the Gaza area at all. But my question would be where do you think the innocent, non violent Palestinians should live? All those children that do not have a home.
Zionism rests on the idea that what is considered fair and normal for all other nations EXCEPT the Jew is unacceptable. Zionism demands that Jews be equal to all other nations. Jews should not have to be eternal minorities in foreign lands. Zionism is the decolonization movement for Jews both physically and mentally. It is about us being equals. It is not about other nations.
That is very different that Zionism is a general concept applying to all nations. All nations already have it, is the foundation of the non-religious Zionistic approach, but that never flew. Which is why we are not living in Uganda.
Very good insite and helpful information. I would however appreciate understanding your understanding and opinion on the Biblical stance that these lands are declared by God to be Israel's land for all time.
Your assumption that Zionism "is about self-determination for all people, not just Jews" is ridiculous. Zionism is about repatriation of an abused, conquered people, namely Jews. It is about our religious belief that God gave us our land and took it from people no longer in existence after more than 3,000 years. It is our right to our own land.
Everything else you say is affected by your universalistic approach to what is an essentially nationalistic movement with religion and history to back it. Provide a better solution to Trump's before you call his approach 'reckless and unrealistic'.
There needs to be at least a temporary resettlement of the people of Gaza so that the Israelis, the U.S. military, and international forces could go in remove any land mines and then concrete that network of underground bunkers and tunnels. Palestinians cannot be allowed to continue to operate those things. Then rebuilding could begin. If the Palestinians refuse to live in a peaceful offered two state self governing situation then they need to be expelled.
Unfortunately due to decisions made in the past we have this, so they, the Palestinians, should resolve to accept what is and apply themselves towards creating a new and prosperous nation, but for the peace of the entire region, the world, both Israelis and Palestinians, this constant looking back and wanting to battle over that desert has to stop. I post this as the descendant of the formerly enslaved in the USA. We need to resolve our differences in the USA.
Thanks.
If the US is involved in any way it has to be under close scrutiny by our congress. Given the recent comments by Pres. Trump I am not confident that he will conduct the type of work that is needed for that area. Pray that the Palestinians can have a safe place to live and work towards their peace in that region.
Zionism literally translates to a belief that the Jews are indigenous to Eretz Yisrael and deserve full sovereignty in their ancestral lands. It does NOT mean for everyone. Please stop “All lives matter”ing the Jewish people. Jewish Lives Matter. It’s time to get rid of anyone who wants to kill Jews from Israel’s borders. And yes, it is time to stop the farcical concept that *only* the Palestinians get to be refugees generations and generations after the initial war that made them refugees. UNWRA took part in Oct 7, civilians in Gaza took part in the murdering and kidnapping and holding Jews in their homes (not to mention UN facilities!) so no- they do not deserve another chance to arm-up and kill more Jews. NO, No, NO!!!!
Zionism has always rested on the idea that every nation has the right to self-determination.
Where in Herzl's writings did you see this, while I missed it?
I am not a scholar about Zionism or the Gaza area at all. But my question would be where do you think the innocent, non violent Palestinians should live? All those children that do not have a home.
Zionism rests on the idea that what is considered fair and normal for all other nations EXCEPT the Jew is unacceptable. Zionism demands that Jews be equal to all other nations. Jews should not have to be eternal minorities in foreign lands. Zionism is the decolonization movement for Jews both physically and mentally. It is about us being equals. It is not about other nations.
That is very different that Zionism is a general concept applying to all nations. All nations already have it, is the foundation of the non-religious Zionistic approach, but that never flew. Which is why we are not living in Uganda.
Rabbi Evan,
Very good insite and helpful information. I would however appreciate understanding your understanding and opinion on the Biblical stance that these lands are declared by God to be Israel's land for all time.
Thank you
Art
Your assumption that Zionism "is about self-determination for all people, not just Jews" is ridiculous. Zionism is about repatriation of an abused, conquered people, namely Jews. It is about our religious belief that God gave us our land and took it from people no longer in existence after more than 3,000 years. It is our right to our own land.
Everything else you say is affected by your universalistic approach to what is an essentially nationalistic movement with religion and history to back it. Provide a better solution to Trump's before you call his approach 'reckless and unrealistic'.
Rabbi Leon Rogson (HUC '72)